Mary thinks she can’t be racist because she’s Black, Andy says at the ‘Real Housewives of SLC’ reunion


Because the Season 2 reunion for “The Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis” will get underway, the ladies study that solid member Mary Cosby isn’t going to be there — not that that stops them from speaking about her.

Led by reunion host/producer Andy Cohen, Mary’s racist feedback and actions are among the many subjects of debate. And, the ladies study, Mary doesn’t suppose she could be racist as a result of she’s Black.

(Charles Sykes | Bravo) Mary Cosby on an episode of “What What Occurs Stay with Andy Cohen.” She skipped the “Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis” Season 2 reunion and was fired.

The place’s Mary?

It’s solely as they’re getting seated on the set that the ladies understand that Mary isn’t there. Andy says Mary’s absence is “disappointing, to say the least.” (Reportedly, Mary was later fired from the present for failing to indicate up for the reunion, as her contract mandated.)

In response to Andy, “she was fairly upset about everybody talking behind her again about her church. … And he or she was very upset that [Whitney Rose] referred to as her a predator and was shocked by that and saved bringing that up.”

It’s value stating that viewers noticed Mary speak behind different solid members’ backs. Rather a lot.

“I want she was right here,” Whitney says, “as a result of I’ve tried to have conversations along with her all through the season and she or he wouldn’t afford me the respect of a dialog. … And now we nonetheless don’t get to speak about it.”

Heather Homosexual then shortly goes off the rails, asserting that “Mary mentioned so many insightful issues in confessional, and I gained respect for Mary watching the episodes.” Unsure what episodes she was watching, as a result of Mary typically rambled non-grammatically and nonsensically in confessionals. Heather, nevertheless, claims that Mary “has this type of, like, bizarre potential to learn everyone just like the Bible.”

Lisa Barlow isn’t having it. She interjects, “I don’t suppose they’re correct reads.” And the 2 argue. Heather asserts that Mary received it proper when she mentioned Lisa “doesn’t know the way to be actual,” the primary of a number of assaults Heather launches in opposition to Lisa.

When Jennie Nguyen factors out Mary referred to as Whitney a “whore” in one in every of her confessionals, Heather acts as if she missed that. Whitney says Mary “does have moments of nice knowledge and perception.” Lisa replies, “Moments.”

Heather says she’s mad that Mary isn’t there to help Meredith Marks. Meredith says she has “combined emotions” about Mary’s absence, “as a result of I’m not so certain that the present may be very wholesome for Mary.” That, of us, is a second of true perception.

(Fred Hayes | Bravo) Meredith Marks on the Salt Flats in an episode of “The Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis.”

Mary’s racism and Meredith’s non-reaction

Andy says that Mary made “lots of racially insensitive remarks” that have been “ignorant, illiberal and hurtful.” He brings up her anti-Mexican and anti-Asian feedback and her mocking of Jennie’s accent. He doesn’t carry up the anti-Black racism Mary — who’s Black — admitted to in Season 1, or when she mocked Latter-day Saints in Season 2.

Jennie says Mary’s feedback have been “hurtful, as a result of she’s a minority, I’m a minority. We’re presupposed to help one another.”

BTW, there’s a disclaimer earlier than the episode — the reunion was taped earlier than Jennie’s racist social posts turned public “and her subsequent departure from the collection.” (Departure? She was fired.) None of that’s addressed within the reunion.

Jennie says she has been “afraid for my life” due to the anti-Asian hate through the pandemic, and expresses considerations that in the future her youngsters will see “Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis” and see racism on the present.

Andy says that it “appeared like” when Mary mocked Jennie’s accent, Meredith was giving her “a move” as a result of it appeared she laughed together with Mary. Nevertheless, Meredith insists, “It was a grimace. I used to be horrified and uncomfortable” and she or he “was making an attempt to present a reminder to her and it was not OK.

Meredith additionally has an evidence for why she refused to name out Mary’s “slanted eyes” remark when the topic got here up on the journey to southern Utah. On the time, Meredith mentioned, “I don’t know if it will be offensive.”

On the reunion, Meredith says, “My understanding” was … “you might be supposed to essentially look to the social gathering (Jennie) affected by it to get a cue. … If I may do it once more, I’d have simply mentioned sure.” And, she says, the explanation she didn’t say “Sure” is as a result of when Jennie responded to the identical query, “you mentioned, ‘Nicely, it’s inappropriate.”

That’s true, however wildly deceptive. Sure, Jennie mentioned it was “inappropriate,” however she additionally mentioned it was “discriminatory” and “racist” — which by some means Meredith didn’t hear.

Andy shoots Meredith down. “It doesn’t appear to be there was any query about whether or not what she mentioned was fallacious,” he says. Meredith agrees — months after the actual fact.

Andy questions Heather’s remark that Jennie appeared like an anime character within the photograph of her in a blonde wig. “It was not since you’re Asian … and it’s horrible that it got here out that manner, however you have been sporting a vinyl corset. You appeared like a cartoon,” Heather says. “I shouldn’t have mentioned it.”

(Natalie Cass/Bravo) Jennie Nguyen and Jen Shan on “The Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis.”

Jennie vs. Meredith

Meredith says, “I undoubtedly remorse that second” when she didn’t help Jennie in opposition to Mary’s racism. She says she texted Jennie “a few days later to ensure she knew that I felt horribly that she had gone by that and that she had my help.” And, she says, she didn’t go “fairly so exhausting” in Mary’s protection as individuals who watched the present consider.

Jennie factors out that Meredith by no means supported her when she tried to succeed in out to Mary and was rudely rebuffed. That, Meredith says, is Jennie’s fault. “Nicely, Jennie, perhaps that’s as a result of I felt below assault by you your complete season,” Meredith says. “You had made all these judgments and by no means as soon as requested me a query.”

She factors to judgmental feedback Jennie made to Lisa about her every week after they met. And to feedback Jennie made whereas speaking to her husband. Meredith, Heather and Andy appear to suppose she’s scored a degree — however Meredith wasn’t there when the feedback have been made. She didn’t know what Jennie mentioned till she watched the episodes, months later.

Meredith provides that Jennie “additionally determined to … misread lots of issues I mentioned, and create lots of issues between me and Jen (Shah).” That is additionally fully unfair, as a result of the misinformation got here from Meredith herself. Sure, Jennie advised Jen that Meredith had employed a personal investigator look into her — as a result of Meredith advised her and the opposite Housewives about what a personal investigator she employed had dug up about Jen. It was solely AFTER Jen confronted Meredith that Meredith clarified that she employed a personal investigator to find out who was threatening her household, and that the P.I. turned up details about Jen.

Lisa judges Meredith’s tolerance

A viewer requested if Lisa was stunned by Meredith’s tolerance of “Mary’s ignorance.” And he or she got here to Meredith’s protection.

“I used to be shocked that Meredith wasn’t extra vocal. However I do know that Meredith doesn’t like unacceptable behaviors,” Lisa mentioned. Meredith says, “Mary and I’ve lots of moments the place we converse one on one. Mary is aware of precisely the place I stand.”

And Andy shoots Meredith down once more. “I assume, what good is it in case you don’t name her out in entrance of the opposite girls or on digital camera?”

“Oh, there’s a lot on digital camera,” Meredith says. But when it occurred and ended up on the chopping room ground, why do all the opposite girls insist she by no means referred to as out Mary?

Is Jennie racist, too?

A viewer asks Jennie, “When are you going to handle, take accountability and apologize for the truth that you consistently use a black-cent? You roll your neck and also you wag your finger and different stereotypical depictions of Black girls while you speak to or about Mary.”

Jennie denies that she has a “black accent,” and attributes it to her upbringing. “I grew up in Lengthy Seashore, California, and it formed who I’m. That’s the place I get my accent.”

Andy asks Jennie if she was being “just a little bit hypocritical to reprimand Mary for being violent along with her phrases while you have been violent together with your actions” for throwing a glass at her at a celebration. And Jennie precisely factors out that Andy is misrepresenting what occurred.

“I didn’t throw it at Mary. I threw it on the ground,” she says. “If I wish to hit Mary, I’d’ve hit Mary.” She doesn’t really reply the query, nevertheless.

And when Andy asks Jennie if she likes Mary, she shortly replies, “No! … I don’t like her as a result of she didn’t like me.”

Jen diplomatically says that, on a tubing outing early within the season, Jennie “went in actually sizzling” and “too sturdy,” thus alienating Mary. Jennie says it wasn’t geared toward Mary, and factors out that she later apologized to Mary.

“It doesn’t matter. It’s Mary Cosby,” says Jen, who has complained repeatedly about having to supply umpteen apologies in Season 2.

Mary claims she will be able to’t be racist

Jennie says Mary continued to be imply and racist. Heather agrees, including, “There’s part of me that thinks that there’s one thing in Mary that’s racist. As a result of it didn’t cease there and it appeared to at all times come out.”

After which Andy drops a bombshell. “I did converse to her final week and she or he advised me that she didn’t suppose that Black folks have been able to being racist,” he says. Which, apparently, is her excuse about disparaging Mexicans, Asians and members of her personal race.

That doesn’t land effectively.

“They’re,” Jennie says. “Everyone seems to be able to being racist.”

(Nicole Weinagart |Bravo) Jen Shah, Heather Homosexual and Whitney Rose on the “Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis” reunion.

Treating Jen gently

At the very least on this first of three reunion episodes, Andy barely broaches the topic of Jen’s arrest and upcoming trial on federal fraud and conspiracy fees, besides to ask her how she’s doing.

“Truthfully, that is devastating for me personally and extra so for my household,” Jen says. “I feel that’s why it was so exhausting for me, particularly, , seeing the Vail journey.” Watching the episode through which Jennie, Whitney, Heather and Lisa discovered of her arrest “broke my coronary heart,” apparently as a result of they didn’t instantly say they have been sure she was harmless.

Andy asks Jen if she thought-about quitting the present after she was arrested. Jen says she “did have a dialogue” along with her husband and sons, “and I used to be, like, ‘No, I’m harmless’, and I felt like I wanted to inform my story.”

Requested how her legal professionals really feel about her being on the present, Jen says, “They weren’t thrilled about it, however as a result of I felt prefer it was essential for me to be right here with the remainder of the group of mates and present up.”

A viewer asks how Heather can proceed to be mates with Jen after she referred to as her Shrek and Honey Boo-Boo, amongst different issues. “As a result of it was a foul joke that she mentioned behind my again to a random individual. … I received over it,” Heather mentioned. “And I feel she’s deeply sorry that she mentioned these issues.” And Jen says that’s “completely” true.

Lisa and Heather struggle some extra

Heather says Lisa referred to as her “horrible issues.” Lisa denies it. They argue backwards and forwards. Heather brings up the horrible issues Lisa mentioned about Meredith on the recent mic — when she referred to as her a “whore” and that she “[expletive] half of New York.”

“That was in a rage in my room, and we’ll handle that,” Lisa says. However not a lot on this episode. Later, Lisa does say, “I do know what I mentioned [on the hot mic], and I do know it was horrible. I do know it was fallacious.” However she thinks an excessive amount of is being manufactured from feedback she by no means meant anybody to listen to. “I’ve to be good on a regular basis or I’m held to, like, a unique bar.”

Heather, who acted like Lisa’s buddy towards the top of Season 2, is persistently on the assault at this reunion. “That’s the Lisa Barlow I’ve recognized since Day 1,” she says. “I’m glad you revealed your self. … That’s who you might be, and it’s very ugly.”

At this level, they clearly hate one another a lot that the reunion is ugly. They toss accusations backwards and forwards, and speak over one another. It’s all however unintelligible.

Meredith will get massively dramatic

Meredith says that what she ” wish to accomplish right this moment with Jen is a peaceable area.” Jen agrees. Meredith apologizes for “hurting you and/or your loved ones for something that I mentioned.”

After which Meredith begins to cry. “There’s much more stuff that went on that goes effectively past you, Jen. … I had some very critical points that went past simply shedding my father, which was extremely painful. The final time I noticed my father was by a glass door on Facetime due to COVID.”

There have been “some very critical points occurring in my household. I couldn’t get him buried. I couldn’t get any peace. I used to be preventing incessantly with my sister. I had a nephew with psychological well being points. … My fears, my reactions — the whole lot was amplified one million instances over.” By the top of Season 2, she was “fully insane as a result of I used to be emotionally devastated.”

Jen says she understands and pertains to Meredith’s emotions. And Meredith says that as she watched Season 2, “Seeing how the whole lot unfolded and the data that was given to Jen — or I ought to say misinformation — she was really fairly type on the finish of the day.”

Andy stirs issues up by asking Meredith, “Do you suppose finally she wound up treating you higher this season than [Lisa]?”

“Sure,” Meredith says. And Lisa gasps in obvious disgust, and says that the opposite girls are “rewriting historical past.” She says she’s glad that Meredith and Jen at the moment are getting alongside, however that’s been “horrible” between the 2 of them “and I’ve been in the midst of it.”

(Nicole Weinagart | Bravo) Lisa Barlow and Andy Cohen on the “Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis” reunion.

Is Jennie Lisa’s puppet?

In response to a query from Andy, Heather and Whitney say they consider that Lisa manipulated Jennie into doing her bidding. Jennie takes offense at that.

“No. I’m not her minion,” Jennie says. “I’m her buddy, and she or he won’t management what I do.” Lisa provides, “I’d by no means attempt to.”

And Heather goes on the assault in opposition to Lisa once more, saying, “Once you want her, you’re there for her. And while you don’t want her, you dismiss her.” Lisa replies that Heather and Whitney “use the phrase minions in order that if anybody stands up for me, they’re the unhealthy guys.”

Whitney apologizes for calling Jennie a minion. Heather insists she mentioned it “as a result of I like Jennie lots.”

When Andy pulls Meredith into this dialog, she says, “I do suppose there’s some stage of management that goes on.” Lisa gasps.

(Nicole Weinagart | Bravo) Heather Homosexual and Lisa Barlow on “The Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis” reunion.

Refighting previous battles

Andy dives again into the controversy over whether or not Lisa sabotaged a charity occasion hosted by her now-former buddy, Angie Harrington. We additionally see clips of one other controversy, when Whitney gave free merchandise to a gown designer with whom Jen had an enormous falling out. On the time, Lisa mentioned she introduced it up so Jen would know what Whitney was doing; Whitney says her workers interacted with the man and she or he advised them by no means to do it once more.

“By a present of palms, who thinks Lisa is the pot-stirrer within the group?” Andy asks. Meredith, Jen, Heather and Whitney increase their palms; Jennie doesn’t.

“I feel there’s a couple of,” Jen says, implicating Whitney. And that is Whitney’s mixed-metaphor protection: “I feel that Lisa does a superb job of stirring the pot, and I at all times take the baton.”

Again to the “catering debacle” — a viewer desires Lisa to clarify the timeline. Lisa continues to insist she didn’t and pulls out some paperwork she says proves that the timeline of the accusation in opposition to her doesn’t work. Andy reads a few of it, nevertheless it’s by no means actually defined.

Heather and Whitney once more go on the assault in opposition to Lisa. Whitney says Lisa sabotaged Angie to punish her for being mates with Whitney; Lisa denies it. There’s all types of crosstalk as Andy tries to regain management. Lisa, Heather and Whitney all suppose they’ve proof that they’re proper, nevertheless it quantities to lots of noise and nothing conclusive.

Lisa is known as out for referring to Angie and Whitney as “inbred polygamy cousins.” (Heather thinks it was about her, too, nevertheless it wasn’t.) “Inbred” is simply imply, however, apparently, “polygamy cousins” is correct.

Heather assaults Lisa once more, alleging that she fakes her wealth. It’s not altogether clear what Heather is speaking about, besides that she’s going out of her method to be imply. “Oh my gosh, she is so horrible,” Lisa says. “That is so insane.”

After which issues take a loopy flip. “It’s not insane,” Heather says. “We all know you, and we love you as you might be.” She really says that after attacking her repeatedly and expressing contempt for Lisa at each alternative.

Andy’s having a tricky time with that. “You’re keen on her as she is?” he asks quizzically.

“I preferred her extra after I noticed her true self present up than I’ve ever preferred her,” Heather says. “As a result of I don’t wish to be mates with a caricature of some, , teen journal she learn in eighth grade that mentioned the way to be a cool imply woman.”

How a lot of that is actual?

Apparently with out realizing it, Heather casts doubt on whether or not “The Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis” is actual. She interjects herself into an argument between Lisa and Jen about Jen’s now-former gown designer and tosses this on the market:

“Jen advised me that she texted you earlier than and mentioned, ‘Don’t point out his title, it doesn’t matter what.’ Which is what you at all times do earlier than anybody movies with you. You ensure that everybody is aware of what they’re presupposed to say or not say.”

It’s not clear who the “you” is within the second and third sentences — however how a lot of those supposedly “actual” encounters are deliberate out prematurely?

Half 2 of “The Actual Housewives of Salt Lake Metropolis” reunion airs Sunday, March 6, on Bravo — 7 p.m. on Dish and DirecTV; 10 p.m. on Comcast.

These are the kinds of lies you tell when you don’t care what anyone thinks.


These are the sorts of lies you inform while you don’t care what anybody thinks.

(Pablo Martinez Monsivais | AP picture)

On this July 16, 2018, picture, Russian President Vladimir Putin, proper, and U.S. President Donald Trump give a joint information convention on the Presidential Palace in Helsinki, Finland.

Then as now, it started with lies.

On Sept. 1, 1939, Adolf Hitler’s forces crossed the border into Poland. The German chancellor did so on the pretext that ethnic Germans had been being persecuted. German operatives, disguised as Poles, even staged an assault on a German radio station, yelling anti-German threats into the microphone.

With that lie, probably the most devastating struggle within the historical past of the world started.

It’s far too early to understand how devastating this newest European struggle will transform, what number of will die, what number of will likely be left homeless and stateless, how the repercussions will play out throughout the globe. There may be, nevertheless, an ominous resonance within the lies from which it arose.

First, Russian chief Vladimir Putin claimed he had no intention of invading Ukraine, whilst he massed troops on that nation’s border. Then he introduced Russia would acknowledge two separatist areas. Lastly, shortly earlier than Russian ordnance started to pound the smaller nation, he introduced a “navy operation” geared toward “peacekeeping” and “denazification.”

Now, as then, lies. And now, as then, what strikes you isn’t just the utter brazenness of them, however the threadbare flimsiness of them. Hitler, granted, put some work into his lie, however on the finish of the day, was anybody actually anticipated to imagine that Poland, which had extra horses than tanks, had all of the sudden determined to assault its closely armed neighbor?

Putin’s lies are even shoddier. He would have us imagine his forces had been wanted to maintain the peace in a nation that was at peace and to evict Nazis from a nation whose democratically elected president is a Jew. These are the sorts of lies you inform while you don’t care what anybody thinks. Their very shabbiness is an expression of contempt.

And the truth that Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, J.D. Vance, Steve Bannon and different denizens of the American proper both lionize this liar — “Savvy,” Trump known as him — or dismiss the struggling of his victims — “I don’t actually care what occurs to Ukraine,” stated Vance — is a transparent, albeit superfluous indicator of simply how damaged our personal nation has turn into.

Like Putin, a lot of the fitting bears allegiance to not reality, a lot much less to democracy, however moderately, to the brutish energy of the strongman to do as he pleases, unfettered by such niceties. That’s what they very almost imposed in 2016. It’s what they promise in 2024. And for those who’re not frightened, you’re not paying consideration.

This second has been a very long time coming. Just a little greater than 1 / 4 century in the past, a Home speaker named Newt Gingrich declared politics struggle and an upstart cable community known as Fox declared details optionally available. It was known as a conservative resurgence, but it surely was truly the inspiration stone for the dominion of lies our nation has turn into.

No marvel Trump likes Putin and claims the sensation is mutual. Every acknowledges himself within the different.

What they acknowledge, what they’ve in widespread, is that transactional disdain for the reality and, extra to the purpose, for anybody naive sufficient to anticipate it. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton offered her Russian counterpart a pink “reset” button, Russia accepted it, however stored proper on being a thugocracy. TV pundits stored assuring us Trump was going to “turn into presidential” any second now, however to his final day, he remained a willful youngster. Now households search refuge in Ukrainian subways, whereas Trump cheers their tormentor on.

Let nobody be shocked.

What begins in lies tends to finish in carnage.

Leonard Pitts Jr. is a columnist for the Miami Herald. lpitts@miamiherald.com